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| I'm afraid that they are unlikely to help with the energy, just like what happened with the coal ones.
Even if the incinerators provided a large amount, the price the region charges for the energy is awfully low (from $5 to $10 per MWh). Players would have to produce and sell at that price or lower in order to prevent the region to spend the current $140 per MWh from the independent supplier. I don't have numbers yet, but I suspect that garbageolic energy will be more expensive to produce than that. So, unless a lot of players would produce energy for charity for each city, or the number of players producing energy for the Emirates (most expensive energy tariffs) would increase in order to make the independent supplier lower prices, it is unlikely to cover the whole energy loss in Nigeria. Lagos is the city with more energy expenses (8.82 million MWh), followed by Ibadan (5.41 M) and Kano (4.67 M). In theory, both ways would be possible to attain (with garbage alone), but we don't know if it would be possible to fully cover all the million MWh required, or the pollution expenses would be worse than what they fix. Time will say, but it might be worth to check this as a possibility. Sounds interesting... *** EDIT and ADDED: I just got the results of my first turn producing garbageolic energy. Ignoring wages, transport and equipment, the production and personel expenses were $2.652.485,64 for producing 16.800 MWh (in Spain). The prime cost per MWh appears as $108.05 (I've calculated $157.88, or $181.74 with all expenses except the equipment unit. No idea how does it calculate it.  ).
So, by selling it for the max $40 per unit, the region is saving $1.680.000, while I'm losing around $2.381.301,89 (ignoring the cost of the equipment unit). So, a large incinerator at tech1 would produce 840.000MWh per day? Hey, with 10 of those the cost for Lagos is almost covered.  Seriously, let's wait until having better garbage burning units and knowing the effects of better tech levels on the expenses. Pollution on the way! |
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| I think the cool thing about incenerators is that there is no penalty in using higher tech (as in coal plants which require higher quality coal).
It might work 
Oil power plants also seem interesting since they polute less than coal and have a lower need for resources (depending on tech level of the mine). Also, since you have the refinery step, you can get higher quality fuel. |
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Good to see these posts. Hope more people read these comments, so they will understand and forgive if power tariffs raises here and there  |
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| The solution to the problem is easy.
Get elected, raise the price to at least 111. 150 would be nice. The NDP has enough to generate a lot of power, at Cat's listed price. Some of the top rankers will scream like little bitches when their profits shrink a bit. They can still have low wages, 0 tariffs, and have no where better to go to. They do have a lot of votes. Let us list them. Those that defy and oppress the Nigerian people, and the NDP. Those who wish to oppose us, those who wish to repress a whole nation for a few points of profit. Everyone else. C |
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The solution to the problem is easy. In my opinion, too aggressive for a charity campaign. 
Remember the reasons one gets voices in a Council: -Tax generation (profit and CTIE). -Villas. -Game points facilities (plantations, sawmills...) -Electric centrals. -Mayors in cities. So, if they are leading the charts, be sure that it is because they are generating part of those taxes: Factories = 2 300 556 899.65$, CTIE = 1 188 134 026.81$ Warehouses = 1 110 923 557.01$ Stores = 518 750 963.73$ And noting the centrals as a special case, 21 942 312.08$ (this is pure profit, no expenses of any kind for the region). I guess it's not wise to define them as "opposition". After all, they pay their wages, which is better than a $0 unemployment subsidy.
And about the easy "get elected" part, any voluntary to burn 7 billion per day in order to raise the electric tariffs? Not so easy then, right? I guess the charity centrals are the best bet anyway. |
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Well, half a bottle of clarified run and I do get a little aggressive.  .
However we have been doing the softly softly thing for how many years now? Are we any closer to the goal? I'll stump 100 000 000 000 Towards the effort. It's not like we cannot time it right, get it done, and free Nigeria from oppression. The question is who will oppose us in raising this great nation in order to make a few percent more profit. If no one opposes the effort, it's simple. Being a medium sized company myself, I know everyone who is doing well is not a heartless bastard. C |
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| Remember that in Virtonomics, all Nigerians are just a bunch of zeros and ones, just like any other VirtoCitizen. Don't let it get you too carried away.
EDIT and ADD * The price went up 5 bucks again. Not enough player electricity producers yet. |
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| Power prices are going to continue to rise.
Mike had a go at changing the trend and failed. I believe the developers have made a wise decision to allow the price to skyrocket as it effects mostly the high tech producers who dominate the world with so little effort. This allows smaller players a better chance to compete with lesser goods. One of the reasons why I an so passionate about the NDP is that the artificially low prices in Nigeria for power, block this trend. I am doing OK at tech level 19. In some industries I can match or better realm average, especially where there are production opportunities that have premium options, using coco for candy for example, or leather clothing. It doesn't do well for profit margins, but it does drive up qualification. The top few players, not only each produce a hell of a lot more than I do, they do so at much higher tech levels. Just look at the market/production analysis. Time and time again there are the same few names producing large volumes of high quality goods. Putting the power price up across the board, will hamper these players profitability. It's sort of meaningless because they already have more money than god. It will slow them down in being able to easily dispose of their entire production. So it's not for the 0's and 1's in Nigeria, or the 0's and 1's that are my company. It's for the up and coming players. Without a path for new players to grow and have a chance to effect the world in meaningful ways we will loose them. Without a few hundred players paying to release their qualification, the devs dont get the funds to justify advertising, or development. The world shrinks. The big players power gets even more extreme, even mid level players loose the ability to grow in qualification and this world of 0's and 1's gets reduced to a handful of players, Visigoths crouching in the ruins of Rome. Personally I'ld prefer to pay a little more for power. C |
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