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Topic created : 10.02.2020, 22:25

Last time edited : 14.02.2020, 23:24
el09sjs
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I believe it would be a great idea to introduce a corporate contract list and would positively develop corporate game play.
Problem: Market contracts can be increased over time and in line with limits. This can be used to exploit unwary and busy players.
Needs: The idea should be able to spot when this happens cancel / pause that contract and address who can do it.
Idea: A list of external companies members of the corporation hold contracts with. An option to pause / cancel all offending contracts (activated by officials). Individual players could choose to un-pause their contracts resume their supply of goods and activate a cool down period.
Comment: I’m not against contract prices ever increasing because it is an interesting dynamic. Or companies not being allowed to fail. I believe this works best at cooperate level because there is an element of care / co-operation there.    

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11.02.2020, 11:59

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MacNab24
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Do you mean a player can then blacklist a whole corporation, or a corporation can blacklist a player?
 
If it is the second, then I would like to see some kind of fair voting system linked to this corporate blacklist, so that it is not just the president or vice-presidents who can impose this on all players in a corporation. Blacklisting someone does a lot of damage and the relationship is usually beyond repairing after that. It should not be just one person taking this important decision. 
 

11.02.2020, 16:06
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In their corporation, such decisions are made by 1-2 people. But not everyone obeys such decisions. Previously, they simply drove such players out of the corporation. Now that the corporation is in decline, they cannot afford to kick out the players, as they risk losing the level of the corporation (and related bonuses). Therefore, they are trying to lobby tools that would provide additional tools for controlling the actions of corporation members. 
 

11.02.2020, 21:48
el09sjs
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@SchmatkoA your comments are incorrect. As you said you never joined our corporation and are not in a position to comment. A diverse group of players contribute and are accommodated . These tools already exist at a company level and there is not reason for it not to exit at a corporate level  (as this is what happen in business anyway).  
 
@MacNab24 I mean a corporation should be able to either blacklist a player or corporation. Any good corporation is run by the consent and input of its members. As a result there would not be 35 members in the corporation I belong to because they are free to leave at any time. Part of joining a corporation involves trade offs and this is one of them. Also it would not be just one persons decision because there are number of post holders that could override the decision. 
 

12.02.2020, 00:45

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It sounds like a good plan, a corporation should be able to help their members and prevent them being subject to illicit activity. Alongside a corporate blacklist, I would be a fan of corporate sanctions (limited trade and/or lifted tariffs) on players or corporations as first or temporary measures.
 
SchmatkoA
In their corporation, such decisions are made by 1-2 people. But not everyone obeys such decisions. Previously, they simply drove such players out of the corporation. Now that the corporation is in decline, they cannot afford to kick out the players, as they risk losing the level of the corporation (and related bonuses). Therefore, they are trying to lobby tools that would provide additional tools for controlling the actions of corporation members.

That seems like quite a dubious claim from someone not with the matter. Anyhow if a member was against it there is nothing stopping anyone from leaving a corporation so I don't see that as any reason not to implement it. The safety/protection it provides from trusted corporate members when unable to pay too much attention for a little while far outweighs any cons in my opinion. 
 

12.02.2020, 00:54
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I wouldn't mind the option. But I would prefer to be able to disable corporate blacklists in case I want to deal with "blacklisted" players. Not that some corp boss all of a sudden can restrict me with doing business with others, just because they have a conflict, or whatever...
 
This is something to think about, before just supporting this idea. 
 

12.02.2020, 01:16

Last time edited : 12.02.2020, 01:19
el09sjs
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Not that I am unsympathetic to this point of view. However this is not in keeping with how corporations work because a common approach is always taken. If players don't want to be part of corporation they are free to leave but there have to be trade offs with their company and corporation. 
 

12.02.2020, 01:29
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There's a difference between team play, and corporate dictatorship. The thing you are "fighting" against is something you do yourself by promoting another dictatorship. 
 

12.02.2020, 01:38

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el09sjs
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What is being proposed in not corporate dictatorship but a sensible way to manage. As I have already said "Any good corporation is run by the consent and input of its members". If whatever is done is not seen to be fair by players they will leave their corporations and no dictatorship will last long. 
 

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el09sjs, XDCD, these are your comments are incorrect, not mine. Your friend was once a member of your corporation (and was robbed by Drake's one-man decision). In addition, I am receiving information from your corporation at the present time. 
 

12.02.2020, 12:58

Last time edited : 12.02.2020, 14:05
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el09sjs
... "Any good corporation is run by the consent and input of its members". ...

1. If your corp is based on these principles and members don't respond to your messages, corp-blacklisting to manage your affairs wouldn't be my first concern.
 
2. Your suggestion that all corps must be run according to these - the same - YOUR principles, or else they are "no good", seems discriminating and encouraging disrespect for the other-thinking. Example: SchmatkoA got a -3 rating just for describing the situation / expressing his findings /point of view: in real life, those minus-raters would be government officials who've already sent SchmatkoA off to the re-education camp.
 
That said, I RESPECT your concern and opinion, and would agree to such a function IF it came with a corp-internal voting system, which can be used as a general tool to get consent within a Corp. on any issue.
 
el09sjs
What is being proposed in not corporate dictatorship but a sensible way to manage. As I have already said "Any good corporation is run by the consent and input of its members". If whatever is done is not seen to be fair by players they will leave their corporations and no dictatorship will last long.

Success of dictatorships is not based on every citizen agreeing with the dictator, but dictators who have sufficient powers to make the life of citizens miserable, or desperate, if they don't cooperate.  In many "democratic" countries, people are too lazy to disagree, or they can't afford it, it doesn't mean they don't. Even the descriptive "fair", like "love", is a very relative, and subjective, one, just like Goethe pointed out in "The Earlking":
 
 
 

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You are wrong, Mike. The Law cannot have any complaints against me. If a person has signed a contract in which he agrees with a price increase of 10% per week, this is only his problem. Everything is legal. Dozens of contracts break off daily when a supplier raises the price above the price at which I agree to buy the product, or reduces the quality. Any sane person does the same. 
 

12.02.2020, 18:56

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Everyone,
 
noun 'Corporation'
 
a large company or group of companies authorized to act as a single entity and recognized as such in law.
 
It is important to note that being in a corporation is not obligatory, meaning that if one does not agree with what the rest of the corporate members agree upon, can just leave. Lets elaborate:
 
Corporation gives members many benefits. These benefits are product of members working together and sharing, high quality equipment, high tech, rare ores, and benefits in skills, or boosts like production, commerce, research and such.
 
Having this in mind, if a majority of corporation agrees upon certain rules, in this case, one of the most important members of the corporation is loosing half of his assets, rest is trying to stop this, and one member disagree to support the decision of majority of the corporation, neglecting the benefits, for solely personal interest.
 
Again , it is not obligatory.
 

Mike1

 
That said, I RESPECT your concern and opinion, and would agree to such a function IF it came with a corp-internal voting system, which can be used as a general tool to get consent within a Corp. on any issue.

I agree with Mike. It should come with the voting system. For example:
 
Voting system draft:
 
1. Voting can be started ( in this case about blacklisting certain players).
2. Voting would be anonymous , to avoid personal issues.
3. Voting would have a time or number of votes ( % of the corporation members) limit, which would conclude positive negative, and neutral votes.
4. Voting and winning by positive votes, would mean, passing the law to all of the members of the corporation
5. other ideas?
 
Regards,
Loki 
 

12.02.2020, 19:11

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MacNab24
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I would add that some kind of double majority would be required to corporate blacklist a player.
 
For example, both a majority of assets and a majority of members should approve the blacklisting. This way, none of the really big players can dominate the voting process. 
 

12.02.2020, 19:28
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MacNab24
I would add that some kind of double majority would be required to corporate blacklist a player.
 
For example, both a majority of assets and a majority of members should approve the blacklisting. This way, none of the really big players can dominate the voting process.

5.Good point, but my idea was that each vote is equal from members. Regardless from the assets size.
 
6. Only long term members ( +3/6 months ) are eligible to vote,* to avoid new companies, and dummy companies influencing 
 

12.02.2020, 19:32

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MacNab24
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TheLoki
MacNab24
I would add that some kind of double majority would be required to corporate blacklist a player.
 
For example, both a majority of assets and a majority of members should approve the blacklisting. This way, none of the really big players can dominate the voting process.

5.Good point, but my idea was that each vote is equal from members. Regardless from the assets size.
 
6. Only long term members ( +3/6 months ) are eligible to vote,* to avoid new companies, and dummy companies influencing

Seems very fair to me, but what if players do not vote or respond to messages (i.e. have abandoned the game)? 
 

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