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Topic created : 20.03.2016, 12:54
Zwingle
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Dear all,
I Would like to know if it's possible to change/update production volume in the game?
Main reason of this query is that for some products the capital used to produce one product is too high. The consequence are low output and high price with not so Good quality.
In my case i Would be very happy if microprocessors factories production volume could be increased. I'm not playing for long enough to know if there are other production volume to update, but Would like to know before if it feasible.
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20.03.2016, 14:46
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According to Microprocessor Factory datasheet, one employee produces one chip per update at technology 1 (T1). The only way to increase this rate is installing higher tech which allows 5% more volume compared to previous tech level. So if you install T10, that factory will produce:
500x1.0510-1=775 units @T10 (instead of 500 units @ T1).
This will improve the quality of product as well. If you are using Silica Q:1.00 (independent supplier), at T10 the quality of your product will be Q:4.17. 
 

22.03.2016, 23:28
Zwingle
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Thanks for your explainations regarding extra production rate but my point is more to change existing production volume rather than to improve production rate (even if i'll tty to maximise it). My point is to change what seems to me a fail in game balance.
 
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23.03.2016, 12:23
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Actually I've not really noticed any issues with microprocessors. Sure the production output is semi low but the new bee production is financial suicide right now till we get a higher tech Cheerfully
 
I was a major manufacture on lien till my mine dried up, and if you where worried about cost and quality production I could of "rented" out a factory or 2 (or all To you) to you (if you where on lien).
 
If you're worried about production costs quantity/quality go here and see if theirs a player with better tech that can produce for you
http://virtonomics.com/lien/forum/forum_new/101/view ...
 
For example if my factories where on Mary id offer their use to you. Most are tech 19 some are tech 20/21, all have solar cells (huge benefit when producing with high tech in many divisions), and my max production output is about 75-125k/turn.
 
For most items at your level are fairly cheap to produce and can be sold easily in stores for profit. My production cost was around 150-250 a unit, but I was using gold so I had 2 sources of expenses next to everything else 
 

30.03.2016, 10:14
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Simple for the developers to adjust the figures.
 
Complex to analise the results. 
 

6.04.2016, 23:05
Zwingle
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ok, thanks for your answers.
I'll try to improve tech in order to improve production rate ! 
 

7.04.2016, 18:26

Last time edited : 7.04.2016, 18:31
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Basically output is all about 2 things:
 
- qualification (production in your case) determines how many factories you can handle. For example i have qualification of 60 and i can manage somewhere around 250+ factories. So for me their output is not a problem, the problem is their input... Ergo raw materials.
 
- technology increases output by 5% per each level but again, this is all about qualification. Your top-manager can handle a tech depending on current qualification. For me it is level 21 which gives me 265% of min production output for each factory (formula is 1.05^tech).
 
But again... On high levels it is all about availability of raw materials. With microprocessors we are lucky to have unlimited supply from ind. supplier but here come another issue: quality penalty. When you produce quality lover then realm's average your qualification not going to grow after level 20... So you always have to be sneaky here, find new products, be flexible, be ready to close up all factories and open new. If you not improving qualification your company don't have any long term potential which will heart you in a long run. If you want to improve your qualification fast, often you have to produce things which you don't want to produce, just to be able to make them with higher quality than realm's average
 
Also, to improve your qualification right now you can use a trick. Make some (or all) factories work without any actual production. As long as a factory have workers not on vacation and equipment (and 100% efficiency) you don't need to order raw materials and produce stuff, it works and improves qualification anyway. This is used for 3rd stage of research but it can be used after qualification level 20 to avoid penalty from products quality (no output, no production, no quality penalty). Same thing actually works for restaurants which seems to be a big of a bug but... 
 

8.04.2016, 11:06
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would that trick also work for mining? Remove all equipment to avoid the mines from depleting and just keep the workers coming into the mine without equipment? 
 

8.04.2016, 14:57
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imbalance of equipment vs worker quantity = another penalty parameter 
 

8.04.2016, 15:00
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jeka_igla
(no output, no production, no quality penalty)

are you 100% sure about this? I kinda thought this would result into quality 0 and thus guarantee below-realm average production and that a workaround would be to just produce a certain, small quantity in above-realm quality to avoid this,
and i always wondered how much that quantity should be. 
 

8.04.2016, 15:29

Last time edited : 8.04.2016, 16:04
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@Mike1:
I think your observations are 100% correct.
 
For the minimum quantity of HiQ production to avoid the penalty:
I think it's similar to the penalty on research speed when the subdivision used for factory test is not fully equipped. So there will always be a penalty, but using the technique mentioned by you, the damage can be reduced to some extent. Please don't take my words for 100% sure, I have just got the impression that these two penalties use a similar algorithm (but maybe not completely identical). 
 

8.04.2016, 16:06
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Penalty to production qualification growth is indeed smaller (or non-existant) when not producing anything, compared to producing below realm average quality (just like jeka igla said). 
 

9.04.2016, 04:11
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smaller (or non-existant)

We wanna know which one Yes 
 

10.04.2016, 13:21
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jeka_igla
Also, to improve your qualification right now you can use a trick. Make some (or all) factories work without any actual production. As long as a factory have workers not on vacation and equipment (and 100% efficiency) you don't need to order raw materials and produce stuff, it works and improves qualification anyway.

Let me completely obliterate this statement.
Just to test I have removed all stock from all factories yesterday, meaning that I haven't produced any goods today.
Fully equipped, workers are not on vacation, Top1 filled, Top3 filled.
My qualification growth for this update: zero.
 
mort100
Penalty to production qualification growth is indeed smaller (or non-existant) when not producing anything, compared to producing below realm average quality (just like jeka igla said).

Based on the information above, this would be my hypothetical answer to Mike's question: the growth is smaller. No output = no production means that this subdivision is not counted towards the total of growth. When not producing anything, you will not receive a qualification penalty, nor the growth of that subdivisions towards the Top3. So basically, there is no difference between no output and on holiday, other than the top manager efficiency penalty you could receive because of a Top3 overload. Because the realm quality penalty is so much bigger than the missing growth, it looks like producing without goods improves qualification, but in reality, you are deceiving yourself.
 
I'll do one maybe two additional test cases and then I'm going to start up my production again. 
 

10.04.2016, 22:01
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Based on the information above, this would be my hypothetical answer to Mike's question: the growth is smaller. No output = no production means that this subdivision is not counted towards the total of growth. When not producing anything, you will not receive a qualification penalty, nor the growth of that subdivisions towards the Top3. So basically, there is no difference between no output and on holiday, other than the top manager efficiency penalty you could receive because of a Top3 overload. Because the realm quality penalty is so much bigger than the missing growth, it looks like producing without goods improves qualification, but in reality, you are deceiving yourself.
 
I'll do one maybe two additional test cases and then I'm going to start up my production again.

I think you have to produce at least one product to get qualification growth.
 
Have one factory produce product of above average realm quality and the rest produce nothing. 
 

11.04.2016, 11:47

Last time edited : 11.04.2016, 11:48
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I think you have to produce at least one product to get qualification growth.
 
Have one factory produce product of above average realm quality and the rest produce nothing.

 
XiozZe

 
I'll do one maybe two additional test cases and then I'm going to start up my production again.
 

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