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Topic created : 27.08.2013, 12:59
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without wanting to go into the depths of the horrible situation for the people of Syria, I was wondering how the media report on this in various parts of the world.
 
Over here (Belgium), the news is all about Assad being responsible, about the Russians and the Chinese protecting him and keeping "us", the "good guys" from helping the people of Syria.
 
I can imagine that the media in Russia/China and countries "associated" with them have a different take on this? If so, I'd love to hear about it. That way, we can all maybe paint a more balanced picture of what's actually going on.
   

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27.08.2013, 14:40
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Channel One Russia and Russia TV both say, that Russia and China are going to veto UN resolution, concerning any intervention to Syria. Sergey Lavrov (Foreign Minister of Russia) said, that US should prove first, that Assad and governmental forces have used chemical weapons. He supposes, that it might be used by opposition forces (which are called "terrorists" on these channels).
 
Also, it's said, that US can join this war even though the UN resoulution is not approved. They think, States shouldn't do this, because such kind of intervention didn't bring good results in Iraq and some other countries of that region.
 
To be honest, I don't agree with Russian goverment point of view. This government can't take total control on its own regions (Chechnya, for example), give its citizens modern heathcare, education. On Russian forums you can find the "Real Russia" topic and read amazing, sometimes wild info about this goverment, which is saying what is good for other country.
 
Thanks to NATO, this alliance didn't pay attention to UN-"chatters", when the problem was in Afganistan. 
 

27.08.2013, 19:46
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Hong Kong may be a part of China but it has a separate law; everything is very open here and there seems no obvious censorship or opinion-forming on international issues (a lot of CNN is produced in HK). Though all mayor news are bilingual, i can't judge the chinese language media.
 
It is a basic principle of the PRC politics that countries should mind their own business;  that has not really anything to do with protecting someone or keeping somebody from something. Borders are borders and have to be respected until we all unite and become one world one country.
 
That said, i'm happy that other countries have a different approach; when children have to live in fear and give their life then every sane citizen on this planet should forget about politics and start to act. 
 

27.08.2013, 22:28
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I'm uncomfortable about the Assad regime and I know that the west wants to help make sure "our" guys are the ones that establish themselves as the "new leaders",but that's not enough reason to pretend to be the worlds police.
In Canada the reporting is generally very balanced with the exception of any real discussion of Isreal's role in the conflict. 
 

28.08.2013, 02:11
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Some countries have an interest in the falling of the Asad regime, it's mainly geopolitics, not so much about the people suffering. People die by the millions in other countries (in Africa...) and nobody cares.
 
By the way, not everyone agrees with the version spread by most of the mainstream western media about the chemical weapons in Syria. Carla Del Ponte had warned in early May that the rebels were most probably using sarin gas, and since then we started hearing everywhere the exact opposite. Talk about a coincidence... http://info.rsi.ch/home/channels/informazione/info_on_line/2013/05/05--Gas-sarin-in-mano-ai-ribelli- ...  
 

28.08.2013, 07:03
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i'm agree with Melchior2008 in general. There are no "good guys" in Sirya. It's just a conflict between legitimate government and rebels.
Do you suppose to depose Assad is the right way ? Look at Egypt now, the year and half after an "arabian spring"
that's a brainteaser for all:
"One day the Good Guy have killed the last murderer. Are there no more murderers in the world?" 
 

31.08.2013, 05:46
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The US is split, as it is with everything else.
 
I'm getting reports that Assad has used chemical weapons, but there's not enough evidence to prove it, and there's also rumors that the opposition used chemical weapons, but there's no evidence there either.
 
What seems clearest is that chemical weapons HAVE been used by some side.
 
Since our president said something about not being willing to allow chemical weapon use at all, people are torn about doing something and/or what should be done.  If he backs down, he looks like a wuss.  If he attacks, he's going to anger pretty much everybody because it will seem as if the US took a side in a domestic conflict. 
 

31.08.2013, 15:24
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In the U.S. one can find out all sides of the issue if one is willing to look for it. The mainstream media has become the Ministry of Truth in Orwell's 1984, but the information is out there if you know where to find it.
 
The mainstream media opinion is that chemical weapons were used, Assad was responsible, and the U.S. was appointed by God to be the World's policeman.
 
For a change, the U.S. population has more sense than the Ministry of Truth. Only 9% favor U.S. military intervention. Only 40% favor intervention with the hypothetical that it could be proved that Assad was responsible.
 
There have been statements published by former military familiar with chemical weapons that these were NOT military grade chemical weapons attacks based on the lack of contamination to workers via clothing and water particles.
 
In the U.S. alternative media, one can find theories ranging from:
 
The U.S. government is well intended but incompetent at Intelligence gathering;
The U.S. government is malicious, wants a war to benefit the military-industrial complex, and the CIA is behind the attacks;
The U.S. government is desperate to keep dollar hegemony and is willing to start a world war to prevent Russia from completing its natural gas pipeline connecting Iran to the Mediterranean.  
 
My own opinion is that whatever the facts turn out to be, Syria is NOT a threat to the U.S. and we should mind our own business.
 
One silver lining to this whole mess is that the U.S. government is so broke, the military lacks funding for any operation in Syria. It takes Congress months to do anything, so each day that passes without action makes it less likely the U.S. will do anything stupid. Like his counterpart in Britain, Obama is not completely oblivious to public opinion and public opinion is going against intervention by a large margin. 
 

1.09.2013, 13:04
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12.09.2013, 10:33
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Our opinions are formed based on information accessible to us, with more or less adding of personal views and emotions. But we frequently ignore that its provided by sources who might only have insight to (or interests in) one side of the coin.
 
Being on a constant search of truth i came across an interview transcript today which gives me a complete different idea about who this Mr Al-Assad is:
 
http://syria360.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/president-assads-full-interview-with-jurgen-todenhofer/ ...  
 

12.09.2013, 13:38
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this is exactly the way Syria was always described over here before the arab spring. Which is why I was very surprised about the way things are depicted lately. Which is why I started this thread.
 
This type of article/interview hardly gets any chance of any attention over here. Our media unwittingly just adopt anything they get fed by just about any "trusted" source. Trusted sources obviously are located in France and the US, who we are told are our allies. Yes, Belgium is also a vassal of these countries Not so
 
I don't know how they do it, but the newsflow over here is very biased. Hence the public opinion is biased.
 

(This is not to say that everything in this transcript must be true or that Mr Assad is in fact an unsung hero. It just shows a more balanced picture, which helps each and everyone derive his own truth)
By the way: I would like to see a little debate between Mr Assad and Mr Obama. The US are the world's terrorist swipers, so these 2 guys should be on the same page, right... 
 

23.10.2013, 01:20
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Where I live, people both worship and hate Assad, for various reasons. I am based in Dubai, the commercial hub of the Middle East, so needless to say, news here is biased too.
 
- Why they hate him?
Mostly, because he belongs from an offshoot branch of the Shi'ite muslim community. Like protestants and Catholics being the 2 main sects in christianity, Islam, too has 2 main branches; Sunni and Shi'ite (referred as Shia)
So anyway, mostly muslims are Sunni, with the exception of Iran and Lebanon in the Mid East (Hence the heavy support from Iran). The arabs here don't care if Assad bombed them or not, all they care about is he is a Shi'ite and has to go (mainly because many mainstream muslims have called several shi'ite religious practices as unislamic). The sane arabs, almost always side with the president.
 
- Why they like him?
Even a lot of sunni muslims (like myself) support Assad. Living in the middle east, I have made several friends from various countries (no wonder Dubai is the cultural hub, the diverse backgrounds even exceed Toronto imo, been there). If you ask a NORMAL syrian (even a sunni one), they usually support Assad. They do admit they dislike shi'ites, but they still don't call it a reason enough to overthrow him. 90% of the Syrian army is Sunni, yet they back their president.
 
- What will happen?
Who knows. I, for one, truly hope he stays. 2 years on and he is still in charge, that is a big feat in itself, considering how Afghanistan, Egypt and Iraq leaderships were toppled with in months. That being said, I also believe it's not a matter of how many people he killed, I believe the US is just redoing the Middle East. In it's own way. One by one, each regime in the Middle East is being changed. US logic is, he used chemical weapons, attack him. By that logic, it is okay for a leader to kill his own people for 2 years using normal guns, but the moment he uses chemical weapons, action should be taken?
Imo, the terrorists were heavily funded by the west and Saudi Arabia to overthrow the Syrian Government, but they failed. Now the US wants to finish the job themselves, and by the looks of things these days, looks like they will fail too. 
 

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Is Asad really legitimate governor of Syria?
His father ruled that land for 30 years (1971-2000) and now son rules for 14 years, overall 44 years of legitimacy provided by chains and execution, almost similar to any other legitimate government in middle east.
 
Disapproving France and US government actions and media is something one can do freely and without fear of life. but falling for double-faced demons of middle east does not seem to be a good reaction to hatred toward US/France media. It just means you've never been in middle east. 
 

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Is Asad really legitimate governor of Syria?
His father ruled that land for 30 years (1971-2000) and now son rules for 14 years, overall 44 years of legitimacy provided by chains and execution, almost similar to any other legitimate government in middle east.
 
Disapproving France and US government actions and media is something one can do freely and without fear of life. but falling for double-faced demons of middle east does not seem to be a good reaction to hatred toward US/France media. It just means you've never been in middle east.

A ruler belonging to a minority simply has to go, no matter what....It just isn't sustainable...
 
Assad made big mistakes when he started killing his own people, he could have simply stepped down, but hezbollah and Iran convinced him that they will support him and make sure his government stays.
 
Syria was a major ally to Iran against their "cold war" against Israel. Now that Syria is gone, Iran has started focusing on negotiations on nuke deals to get itself out of this mess. They've finally opened their eyes to fact that they and their allies are not invincible.
 
Assad going down is possible good news for Israelis because they share a huge border with syria and in case of war with Iran, Syria would have sided with Iran instead of being neutral.
 
The easy way to bring peace now is to bring a pro arab league leader in syria that is anti-Iran and pro-Saudia and Israel-neutral. 
 

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