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Topic created : 5.12.2021, 15:21
e22titanium
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According to the explanation in-game for the amateur league tenders, the only participants that can compete to win the tender are level 30 or less in the given skill (depends on specific tender).
So in the "Amateur" tender that I did, when the contest was finished, the results listed only non-Amateur companies as the participants that would have won. In this case is was some of the biggest players in the game with management skills way above 30. That seems wrong. Why have an amateur league if the results include non-amateur's results. There would be no way that amateurs could win against the high level businesses.
 
It seems to me that the only results that should be used for amateur tenders are the amateur companies that could be participants. Not all companies, just "amateur" companies.
 
Can this be fixed so that only amateurs are included in the tender and in the results? Otherwise, what's the point of having an amateur league?   

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5.12.2021, 16:24
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In amateur tenders, only the results of registered participants are taken into account. The rest of the results are not taken into account (although they are displayed). An exception is the tender for the extraction of minerals, in which it is necessary to get into the 10 largest producers. 
 

5.12.2021, 18:59
ChrisTekk
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True.
Re. ranking list: in general, as amateur you still need to get into that ranking (list) in order to be able to win. There's also some IT Operator tenders hard to crack by amateurs for that reason. 
 

13.12.2021, 07:21.     Subject: Thank you for the answers - Here's my experience with a Tender:
e22titanium
The winner of the contest of directors in the nomination 'IT-standard' The winner of the Leaders Contest in the "Fuel Rivers" nomination Winner of the Industry Competition in the 'Government procurement' nomination Winner of the Leaders Contest in the nomination The Standard of Virtonomics Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Raw Material Base Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination "Knowledge is power!" Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Consumer Goods Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination The Standard of Virtonomics
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Titanium
 
Thank you for your explanations.
 
The 23 Nov 2021 Brasilia Motorcycle tender (Trading in the Cities) was a tender I entered. In reviewing the market data for motorcycle sales in Brasilia, I found that the only sellers shown were all non-amateur (all are very large, high-skill players). So I entered thinking that I was going to compete with amateurs, not these existing high-skill players.
 
Although three other amateur players entered the tender, my store was the only one that showed sales, coming in 4th behind the existing big three non-amateur stores.
 
In the results for finished tenders page it shows that one of these (in this case Mike1) is the winner at number 1. Under the results tab for the tender it lists the three high-skill players, unregistered, as places 1, 2 and 3.
 
This makes me believe that my 4th place was ignored because the top 3 were being considered as viable participants, when if fact they could not register.
 
Am I seeing this correctly?  To me, the top three that cannot register, should not have their stores included in the determination of who the best amateur is.  Otherwise, any tender that relates to a location/product/activity that is already dominated by non-amateurs becomes almost impossible to win for smaller, new players.
 
So as an afterthought, if my store had been able to overcome the top three non-amateur stores, then I would have won. Which is the same as competing against the non-amateur players. 
 

13.12.2021, 17:57
ChrisTekk
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World Cuisines, VII-XV places World Cuisines, IV-Vi places World Cuisines, IV-Vi places World Cuisines, IV-Vi places World Cuisines, II-III places World Cuisines, II-III places Shagreen, VII-XV places Shagreen, VII-XV places
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I agree. You nailed a stereotypical case of "works as designed". 
 

14.12.2021, 02:46
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ChrisTekk
I agree. You nailed a stereotypical case of "works as designed".

I'm thinking that using a few lines of logic in the back end game code, such as exclude unit iDs that belong to player IDs that have the applicable skill greater than 30, would do the trick. This exclusion would yield the potential, qualified player units for consideration. This new qualified list (an array of unit IDs) is created before determining results and winners for registered amateurs. The only unitIDs to be included would be those that are "active" (non-zero activity).
 
This approach assumes that the first step in identifying qualified (in this case, amateurs) is to only include unit IDs that exist associated with the tender's specific product/location/activity.
 
I suspect that it would also be easy to add a little JS front end code that does not allow a non-amateur to register for an amateur tender.
 
Just some thoughts... 
 

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