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Topic created : 10.02.2010, 06:22
Deira
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How is it possible to produce about 10 million units of milk at every update with livestock qualification level 10 ???
 
According to the help which is posted in this forum @Q10 livestock you can have about 2000 farmer and that is just enough to operate 2 poultry farms which produce at best 400.000 milk.
I know that production quality modifies it slightly, but thats Q10 also, and as far as i see that influence only a few 10 percent maximum, not 2500 percent.
 
So how is it possible?   

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10.02.2010, 11:30
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"According to the help which is posted in this forum @Q10 livestock you can have about 2000 farmer"
 
^That is to stay above 100% efficiency.
You can increase production (and profits) by ignoring efficiency. 
 

10.02.2010, 14:34
Deira
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Then whats the point of efficiency?
And it sounds crazy, that if you ignore efficiency then you can have 10-20-30 times more profit then otherwise.
If its like that, then its awful game design 
 

10.02.2010, 14:42
Jythier
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Efficiency is really important for stores, it affects sales. 
 

10.02.2010, 15:43
eVVe
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By the time you realise your quality 1 product isn't competative..... than you will crack your head. 
 

10.02.2010, 15:46
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It is the opposite of awful game design. The game has to be playable by the masses yet still pose a challenge to experienced players.
 
Efficiency is the challenge. Anyone can make boatloads of cash in a game like this, not everyone can keep efficiencies and qualification growth high. 
 

10.02.2010, 16:49
Deira
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"Efficiency is really important for stores, it affects sales. "
 
Its very nice, but I asked about production
 

 
"By the time you realise your quality 1 product isn't competative..... than you will crack your head. "
 
Producing higher Q goods is just money - which most people have abundantly -, I mean you have to buy equipment and pay appropriate wage, thats it.
 
Usually it pays for itself in like 3-5 updates to invest in the equipment, tech and wages, so its just a decision to produce high Q goods, and then voila, you do so. Its not THAT hard.
 

 
"It is the opposite of awful game design. The game has to be playable by the masses yet still pose a challenge to experienced players.
 
Efficiency is the challenge. Anyone can make boatloads of cash in a game like this, not everyone can keep efficiencies and qualification growth high. "
 
Whats the point then to keep efficiency high, if you make way more cash by having it low?
 
Isnt it supposed to work like that you make the most out of your businness if you have high effciency?
 

In principle we play the role of a manager in this game. As far as I see we are supposed to use all the available resources with as high efficiency and utilization as possible to achieve the best results.
 
If you can achieve best result with next to zero efficiency then something is not working as it should, because this mean you dont have to care about efficiency to be successful. And so you can neglect a core element of the game AND be way more successful, then those who care to manage efficiency successfully
 

Correct me if I am wrong, but I fail to see, how its a good and intended game design 
 

11.02.2010, 00:09

Last time edited : 11.02.2010, 01:58
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the player will have almost 0 growth of qualification on this sector, and one very bad performing office, but with the right setup, stores do not need to suffer from this.
 
This game offers various strategies of to play it; there seems to be a market to sell this volume, so why not cater to it? The player may understand that his farming qualification will suffer, but he can make money now and decide to sell off or even delete the farms later and use the profits to build something else. 
 

11.02.2010, 01:27
Deira
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I see
 
So in the long term, you have to grow your qualification, which require high efficiency, but in the short term you can make boatloads of money with low efficiency with no Q growth 
 

11.02.2010, 02:06

Last time edited : 11.02.2010, 02:08
eVVe
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+ 1 more thing..... before you doing it.. Think carefully are you heading to the way you want. Does that action really benefit you. 
 

11.02.2010, 16:42

Last time edited : 11.02.2010, 16:42
Mike1
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you are right, Deira. The thing now is that you need to pay 80'000 for a decent machine and for example to build a factory with 2500 workers it costs > than 200 Million. Where does a new player take such money from?
 
I think its a smart, visionary strategy to start up in this environment. Congrats, T.R.U.S.T. Very we! 
 

15.02.2010, 01:42
Deira
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I dont think money is that a big problem
 
Of course as a new player - a few days old - you dont have much, but in a rl month you can have a couple billions if you are smart, and after that, because the qualifications holds you back, there is really no means to spend the money.
 
As far as I see, its incrementally harder to get to new Q level. I mean it takes more time to get to Q20 from 19, then to Q10 from 9. And with every added Q level your limits increased with a diminishing percentage. And if you put it together then the required ROI to finance the additional business units - which you are able to build and finance because of your Q growth - constantly decreasing. But the ROI of your company is not decreasing with size, so sooner or later, you will have more money than you can spend. 
 

15.02.2010, 04:19
bogdan1245
 
Well, you can spend money you have in excess to buy state enterprices. 
 

15.02.2010, 05:00
Deira
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You need points to buy state enterprises, not ingame money 
 

15.02.2010, 11:46
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I think bogdan1245  is talking about auctions.
 
There has been a recent auction for a grain farm on Mary.
It was the smallest possible size with good fertility, tech and equipment and still sold for over 15 billion.
http://virtonomics.com/mary/main/auction/view/1600 ...  
 

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