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Topic created : 12.05.2010, 12:25

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diska
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1. We are abolishing the qualification for the Contest for Managers: upon the expiration of 14 updates since the beginning of the contest the players won’t need the 5th level of the qualification in Management anymore;
 
2. We bring back the prime award of the Contest for Managers, which will be calculated according to the new rules. The rules are the same to the ones for prime awards in the Contest for Presidents. For the first place in any of the  nominations you get 5 points, for the second place – 3 points, for the third place – a point. The winner is a participant to gain more points. In case of equality of the gained points standard rules of additional ranking of the players in the nominations are applied (at first, according to the amount of unspent VIRTs, then – according to the assets). The winner gets an agricultural farm of 1000 hectares located randomly with the 1st level of fertility and worth of 50 points. As earlier, there is a prime award only if the total prize in the Contest for Managers is at least 50 points;
 
3. The qualification for the Contest for Directors has become simpler. All players who have played on the realm for the first three months, completed participation in the Contest for Managers and have the qualification in Management at least 5 not considering awarded bonuses will qualify. As earlier, contests are conducted only in case there are at least 30 participants who meet the requirements;
 
4. The procedure of qualification for the Contest for Directors has been abolished;
 
5. Instead of VIRTs the winners of the Contest for Managers and the Contest for Directors will now get bonus points appointed to the realm. Apart from that, you still need the qualification in Management at least 10 not considering awarded bonuses by the moment of the contest completion in order to be able to get the prize;
 
6. Directors the amount of whom will be a determinating factor for the conducting of the Contest for Presidents are the participants of the completed Contests for Directors who have took the places not lower than the 5th one in any of the nominations OR the participants who have the qualification in Management at least 10 not considering awarded bonuses at the moment of the contest completion;
 
7. The requirement to have 15 unspent VIRTs in order to participate in the main stage of the Contest for Presidents has been abolished;
 
8. As an experiment we’ve decided to try introducing to the duel (special) tenders a guaranteed minimum total prize of 10 bonus points regardless of the amount of registered users.
 
The schedule for the introduction of the new rules:
P.1 – within the update from May, 12 to May, 13 for all contests, including the ones already started;
P. 2 - within the update from May, 17 to May, 18 for all contests, including the ones already started;
P. 3 - within the update from May, 17 to May, 18 when generating new Contests for Directors;
P. 4 - within the update from May, 12 to May, 13 for all contests, including the ones already started;
P. 5 – on June, 8 the last payments of prizes in VIRTs of the Contests for Managers and the Contests for Directors are to be realized;
P. 6 - within the update from May, 12 to May, 13;
P. 7 - within the update from May, 12 to May, 13;
P. 8 - within the update from May, 12 to May, 13.   

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12.05.2010, 15:56

ccm_tsang
Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination "Knowledge is power!" Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Consumer Goods Three years with Virtonomics
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5. Instead of VIRTs the winners of the Contest for Managers and the Contest for Directors will now get bonus points appointed to the realm. Apart from that, you still need the qualification in Management at least 10 not considering awarded bonuses by the moment of the contest completion in order to be able to get the prize;
 
will the bonus points be transferable to other players on the same realm?
 
i now have characters on both mary and lien.  will the points be available to both characters? 
 

12.05.2010, 19:27

ChrisBerlin82
Winner of the Leaders Contest in the nomination Quality label Winner of the Leaders Contest in the nomination of Consumer Goods Winner of the Leaders Contest in the nomination Markets Storm Winner of the Leaders Contest in the nomination The Standard of Virtonomics Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Raw Material Base Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination "Knowledge is power!" Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Consumer Goods Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Trade Turnover
Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination The Standard of Virtonomics
 
bonus points appointed to the realm

I guess you can't transfer them. It would be interesting how many points you can actually win. Will it the same in points as it was in VIRTs? 
 

13.05.2010, 00:40.     Subject: Diska

light76212001
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3. The qualification for the Contest for Directors has become simpler. All players who have played on the realm for the first three months, completed participation in the Contest for Managers and have the qualification in Management at least 5 not considering awarded bonuses will qualify. As earlier, contests are conducted only in case there are at least 30 participants who meet the requirements;
 

 
Well I been here for more than months but I havent join the contest for manager.   I really like to get in the next contest for directors.  Can you check on my status to see what else I need.  Im pretty tried to get in the contest for manager but it wouldnt let me. 
 

13.05.2010, 02:48

Deira
Winner of the Leaders Contest in the nomination of Consumer Goods Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Consumer Goods Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Trade Turnover Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination The Standard of Virtonomics
 
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I dont see why its good to swap VIRTs to points. Considering game mechanics they are the same with only one notable difference, that points are not transferable between realms and players.
But the non transferable detail goas against most of those what Virtonomics stands for, namely free market and competitiveness, and thus the most efficient way of allocating resources.
 
And considering that by far the Qualification levels of the user are the biggest constrain of the development of a company, then transferable VIRTs are the most precious commodity in this game. After you reach 10-20B in assets, then cash becomes trash, there is nothing to spend it on.
Except of course on Enterprise auctions, which is a way to convert cash to assets normally purchasable with VIRTs only. Other - I think more important - way was to spend ingame cash is to buy VIRTs from people, mostly from those winning it.
And you want to remove the biggest inflow of transferable VIRTS from the game. Thats bad, very bad in my opinion.
 
I like this game very much because it gives me the chance to develop faster if I am better than most other people playing this game. But if you enable this feature, then those people who have an edge over others, or better understand the rules or better managers, etc. etc. , has no way to develop faster - because of Q level constrains - , because people cant buy VIRTs from each other, because simply there will be hardly any VIRTs in the system, because as far as I see most VIRTs come from the contest winners.
 
I know that theoretically I still can buy VIRTs, but there will be hardly sellers, because much less VIRTs will enter the game. Mostly through tenders, but most people who compete in tenders has sufficient game experience to understand how important qualification levels are, so they mostly dont sell VIRTs, because they know cash is trash.
 
So I suggest to do just the opposite, meaning redesign the game to enter more VIRTs into it and make them permanently transferable, meaning even the receiver of a VIRT should got a VIRT, not a point
 
I know that you remove VIRTs mainly because you fear that people will cash out them to get RL money. But they wont, if you have a good game. If you remove the option to cash out, I think you wont lose a single customer, but then you can have permanently transferable VIRTs, and then you can introduce a VIRT exchange, where people can put in buy orders and sell orders of VIRTs, meaning that eventually those people will use VIRTs who value them the most.
 
And this is the goal of every free market society, that to use the available resources to the most efficient way, and transfer stuffs to those who value them the most. 
 

13.05.2010, 11:05

Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Raw Material Base Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination "Knowledge is power!" Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Consumer Goods Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Trade Turnover Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination The Standard of Virtonomics Three years with Virtonomics
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Deira
I dont see why its good to swap VIRTs to points. Considering game mechanics they are the same with only one notable difference, that points are not transferable between realms and players.
 
And you want to remove the biggest inflow of transferable VIRTS from the game. Thats bad, very bad in my opinion.

The second notable difference (as you mention) is that VIRTs can be sold for real cash.
 
The sentence above in bold has always been a bit of a concern for me. The fact that clones are not encouraged but also not punished means it could be very easy for experienced players to start a new account every time a new CM starts. This is bad for the game because the new players don't know enough to win anything, and more often than not those clone accounts will boost the player's main account.
 
The fact that the devs have gone this way suggests "VIRTs farming" may have already been happening.
 
I like the 2nd point (Prime Award for CM) but I think a random state enterprise valued at 50 points would be better than a farm every time. Mixing up the fertility/quality/size within a small range could be a good idea too. This will help the raw material supply situation as well as keeping a steadier value for the prize. Farms fetch good prices at auction now, but would this still hold true after 100, or 1000, have been auctioned? 
 

16.05.2010, 17:28

ccm_tsang
Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination "Knowledge is power!" Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Consumer Goods Three years with Virtonomics
Four years with Virtonomics
 
diff players seem to have diff interpretations.  admin, please clarify:
 
will the bonus points be transferable to other players on the same realm?
 
i now have characters on both mary and lien.  will the points be available to both characters? 
 

16.05.2010, 22:07

Deira
Winner of the Leaders Contest in the nomination of Consumer Goods Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Consumer Goods Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination Trade Turnover Winner of the Contest for Managers in the nomination The Standard of Virtonomics
 
I am pretty sure, points wont be transferable, if they want the prize item transferable, then they would award you with VIRTs 
 

17.05.2010, 11:41

JuleBCN
 
ccm_tsang
no for both of ur questions, sorry 
 

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