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What do you think about the new efficiency reform?

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Start: 19.12.2009, 17:09

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Topic created : 19.12.2009, 17:09
Mike1
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The new efficiency regulation is effective now and has great effect on our businesses.  Personally, i think the new parameters are to high and a big penalty for the players who play since a while, especially as most of the current users who went trough the P2P and back have paid currency to keep playing. I agree that there is things to do and change to keep the game interesting, but this heavy limitations are not a wise move and may once again have negative effect on the popularity of virtonomics.
 
This game should reflect natural way of business, but it remains heavily regulated and i think that such a business environment is not practiced in real life .. except maybe in North Korea. I'd rather have my business wiped out by an earthquake or a meteorite than being forced to trash 50% or more of my company by governmental regulation.   

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19.12.2009, 17:16
ccm_tsang
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is this another way to 'encourage' us to spend virts on Q? 
 

19.12.2009, 17:29
VLLord
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This reform has "bad" effect first of all on big black companies. But it's a chance for smaller companies to catch up bigger.
All my subdivisions work at 100% and qualification is growing realy fast... 
 

19.12.2009, 18:25
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so we black companies will shut down some enterprises and things will go on Well hope so 
 

20.12.2009, 03:16
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My qualification is growing slowly, but for most areas it is high enough to cope with my current employees.
 
I prepared as best I could for the reform, but it is only because of my awards that I surviving.
 
The slow growth of my qualification is troubling though, snowman melts in less than a month and there is no way qualification will grow enough naturally to compensate.
 
Is growth calculated on pre-bonus or final qualification levels? 
 

20.12.2009, 04:40
eVVe
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Lolz.... This is terrible.
 
Well, i only played this for about 1 week real life. Everything was smooths until the 5th days from 6mil cash to -200+k, 6th days i stop all purchasing contract. sell all my Material at discounted rate..... finally now i have some positive cash balance.
 
Closing down allot of my enterprise, 1 thing i noticed, it is impossible for a new player to start a retail. With only 1 sub division the retail only work at maybe less than 5% efficiency.
 

Correct me if I'm wrong, the retail 5% is my friend told me & ask for my help. Personally i do not know how to help him. 
 

20.12.2009, 07:00
cocabom
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Seriously I don't like this new reform.. I cannot cover all my losses everyday and don't know what to do now.. I just trying close any enterprise.. 
 

20.12.2009, 07:50
archmage
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I think it's good because it makes the game more realistic because before it was like you had a top manager for each company and now the top manager is controlling the entire company which makes it much more realistic. 
 

20.12.2009, 08:54
Mindwerkz
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I havent quite decided yet what I think.  My vote will be in tomorrow after I have done some tweaking. 
 

20.12.2009, 09:04
Argazzmos
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I am preparing to reform two weeks, and now i can say, that i perform good Well
Reform is good, but it hate highly-concentrated production(10 15k factories in the same town) 
 

20.12.2009, 14:50
Cojones33
 
Point 1
 
I think I understand your intentions, and if I am correct this as a noble concepts wortrh applauding. you tried to make the playing field more even to give small companies a chance to build up from scratch.  
 
The cycnincal may suggest that you just want us to spend Real Life money buying manager Qualification points to support your business.
 
The truth lies somewhere inbetween I assume.
 
Point 2
 
I am still focussing my attention on ANNA. I could not buy points for that even if | wanted to. I am sure you realised that when you implemented the changes.
 
Point 3
 
This is the perspective from my own selfish side.
 
I have spent a considerable amount odf time develeopping a company able to support manufacture of its own machine tolls at a tech level required for my factories. Prior to the reforms, it was producing at a quality level of 2.55, so i had achieved my intention and running the operation pretty well.  I was getting ready to look at tech 3.  
 
Reforms in place, I find that quality has dropped to 1.30.  Not withstanding the fact that my machines at the business runs at the correct level  for production.  
 
This whole pattern applies throughout all my companies.  
 
I would suggest that this is a little harsh.
 

Point 4
 
Deviating away from the changes, but whilst  I am on a roll Very we!
 
Economies of Scale:  how does that simple concept fit into the game.
 
For the benefit of those who have not heard this term before, I will quote wikipedia (as they are so much better than me at expressing it):
 
Economies of scale, in microeconomics, are the cost advantages that a business obtains due to expansion. They are factors that cause a producer’s average cost per unit to fall as scale is increased.
 
Arbitarily, this would suggest a factory of a larger size should produce more goods per head , than  a smaller one.  This does not happen at all in this model, infact we are penalised the larger the factory size.  I am talking about output here, not factory/employess efficiencies.
 

There if a factory of 500ppl produces 100 units, a factory of 5000ppl should theoretically produce 1200 units, not 1000 as effected in this game.
 

 
Sorry for writing an essay.  My opinon is that this reform is a little harsh. only the big companies seem to be doing well as i spend all my money on buying Mchines frombigger comapnies at huge prices. 
 

20.12.2009, 15:19
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Economy of scale in your definition refers to cost advantages, not production advantages.
 
It is already in the game, larger factories have a lower cost per item (assuming all other factors are equal). 
 

20.12.2009, 16:54
kavidyan
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Wow... Fractal, looks like you are doing well. I'm certainly not loving this reform as my factories efficiency still below 50% and retail below 10% for now. Done some tweaking and hopefully will get back to full swing soon. I just hope my cash reserve will last long enough. Eyes in a heap 
 

21.12.2009, 15:21
Mike1
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ok after the usual yelling,  shouting and kicking ass of my office managers (i've got some italian blood ..) they worked overnight, fixed and adapted:  the efficiency regulation doesn't look to bad after all, in fact some look even better than before and i'd move my vote to "its ok".
 
Everyone still having headache with their business, read trough the posts here on the board and do the fixes! 
 

21.12.2009, 15:43
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kavidyan - It is like I said in other posts. I did what I could to prepare, then had my butt saved by awards.
Livestock raising is the only area that I'm really having problems with, but production is not far above the problem zone.
 
I agree with Mike, some things are actually better since the reform, and there are solutions to most of the dramas (or partial solutions).
I've particularly found ccm_tsang's posts helpful. Applying his advice (and there are some other honourable mentions too) should have your company on the way to positive cash flow again.
 
It will take a little time but once you get it sorted things won't seem half as bad as you first thought (just look at Mike - smaller companies should be in a better position than him overall too). 
 

21.12.2009, 19:32
ccm_tsang
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thankyou, Fractal - but i'm a her Well
 
my stores have really benefitted from the Q/E reform.  could just not get my 10 000m store to 100% E before the reform, now it's happy and very profitable (for me).
 
a word of caution about holidays: took one of my factories back from holidays today - it 'cost' .45 production Q.
when i sent them on hols, the first few factories dropped by .4, then dropped more rapidly later.  i'm just hoping that bringing them back from hols has the same calculation factor - first few to bring back from hols cost more, later ones progressively costing less production Q.  
 
doesn't look like my qualification is 'growing naturally' to up to 50th level in 1/2 real year because growth is 0.123.
 
at this rate, will grow less than 2 levels before Jan18, 3 short of the snowman.  i'm just hoping that bringing them back from holidays will help my qualification grow more quickly, otherwise my company will stagnate. 
 

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