warfreak If it was banned, why discourage it? It makes no logical sense that if something was banned, you would need to discourage it, you'd just ban the offender. There is no specific rule that says no cloning.
You discourage it because it is illegal, and many players do it. There is no way they can stop someone from doing it, they can only ban them later on. All games discourage cloning, and that is what he was doing. It makes perfect sense, you discourage any crime.
warfreak There is no specific rule that says no cloning.
Jobbery (profiteering) in game are considered to be operations of any kind, bound up with ungrounded or illegal gaining of cash funds, material or non-material assets, securities or other values, taken by players, companies or particular enterprises, caused by errors in game resources operation, by collusion or by certain actions of affiliated persons (including game characters, controlled by one player (clones)) that could be defined as collusion, as well as other actions, going against general game maxims, with the purpose of unjustified enrichment or other profit (including illegally obtained payment capabilities).
It says that if you are cloning to create an unjust advantage, then it is illegal. Fractal already said it in the other topic, if you use a clone to make unfair gains, it is illegal,
Right in that statement it says CLEARLY that it is illegal. It is clear as day. "Jobbery is considered to be operations of any kind bound up with illegal gaining of cash funds taken by players by collusion of affiliated players INCLUDING CLONES" This is so clear you could not be more clear. Not only that but then you go and say "It says that if you are cloning to create an unjust advantage, then it is illegal. Fractal already said it in the other topic, if you use a clone to make unfair gains, it is illegal" I am mindboggled that you can say its okay and then contradict yourself and say it is illegal and that Fractal said it was illegal. The ONLY purpose of creating clones is to circumvent the qualification requirements system, which steals money from Virto, and gives players an unfair advantage over another by allowing excess capacity that other players dont have or that you would not be able to obtain without buying points thus stealing from Virto.
warfreak
however, if a clone enters a contest, and the player spends points upgrading their business, etc, to win, then it is fair. They FAIRLY defeated the other companies. It would be UNFAIR to do something like purchase Q1 milk at $100000, and have 50 clones do that to make easy money. That would be UNFAIR and ILLEGAL according to the game rules.,
You just contradicted yourself again. It is NOT FAIR for someone to use a clone, and then enter a contest, which gives that person unfair excess capacity and unfair excess supply that other players can not have without using clones. There is nothing fair about this. There is nothing fair about a player using Clones to enter in a contest then use their "main account" to fund the clone account with excess cash, supply and goods so that the clone account can win. Using a clone also gives you free factories and cash and supply right at the beginning as well, which other players will NOT have, giving you exactly what the rules say, an UNFAIR advantage. This is the reason people use clones and it is the reason Casper is being an A hole to me posting harrassing threads like this, because I am calling him out on his fraud for attempting to steal virts from other players and steal revenue from Virto.
Then you describe "It would be UNFAIR to do something like purchase Q1 milk at $100000, and have 50 clones do that to make easy money. That would be UNFAIR and ILLEGAL according to the game rules"
This is EXACTLY what casper is doing!!! He registered a clone or number of clones, to get the free startup factories, cash, goods, and extra capacity unfairly, and then unfairly using it to collude the acocunts together and provide unfair supply so he can CHEAT and wint eh contests and STEAL the virts from other players! He has unfairly purchased milk at super cheap prices from his clones, and is making easy money, EXACTLY what you describe is illegal!!
warfreak
having a clone won't help you in the slightest, besides a steady stream of supply. Also, clones that you are claiming are winning contests, well, problem, they are generally so weak in terms of production that they have no ability for collusion, as stated in the game rules. Say if me and an clone in groceries teamed up and controled >50% of production in a type of good, and effectively controlled the price, that would be collusion. A company purchasing goods from another company to sell at retail is not. Just steady supply.
Here you minblowingly say that a clone wont help you in the slightest, saying all it will do is give you an unfair steady stream of supply that the other players WONT have because they arent using clones!!! You say they are generally so weak in production etc etc, which obviously is not the case in Caspers situation he has a very strong clone, and even if he had a weak one he can easily collude and provide cheap and steady supply to his main or vice veersa which a non clone using player can not, thus giving him this unfair advantage which both the rules, fractal, and yourself all said are illegal. End of story. |
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