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Topic created : 13.05.2017, 11:16

Last time edited : 2.06.2017, 23:33

XDCD
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Noticed someone scamming with bonds, can't find a way to report them so I'll just post it here.
 
Goku18 issued 14239 'medium term' bonds which have been fully bought by players.
He seems to have given all of his assets and cash to Zorgborg on the turn of 13-05-2017.
 
* Zorgborg's turnover on 13-05-2017 is equal to the loss of cash of Goku18 this turn plus he now owns all of Goku18's expensive assets.
 
Goku18 - https://virtonomics.com/mary/main/user/view/1205591
Zorgborg - https://virtonomics.com/mary/main/user/view/1164968
 
Sorry to anyone who bought his bonds, looks like he won't be paying it back Not so
 
Hope the admins won't let this behavior go unpunished.
 
EDIT: 16-05-2017 - Cash and most assets seem to be transferred from zorgborg to another account.
EDIT: 02-06-2017 - Still no action has been taken by Diska (admin), I am very disappointed in the moderation of this game.   

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14.05.2017, 19:57

FLP01
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XDCD, you've downvoted me three times already, y'all need to chill 
 

15.05.2017, 03:41

xcrusader010
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G'day
 
Downvoting means they don't agree with what you said, not necessarily that they don't like you. It's just a debate. I roll!
 
I honestly think the current bond system is all right, except it's not exactly clear to new players. The game needs a proper tutorial, even if it means having the pop-up bubbles (like the initial tour) explaining every single tab - including Bonds.
 
Bonds can't help new players because of limitations, maybe there needs a smaller bond emission option, because people say you can't make profit out of bonds, but I boosted my company's turnover sky-high - it always pays for itself soon...
 
As to the scammer -- he's just a one-off prude. Hopefully. I am malicious 
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15.05.2017, 08:44

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Maybe some experienced veteran(s) of this game could post a tutorial about the bonds system, and best uses, along with tips on what the proper things are to do once you realize that you might be in danger of defaulting on said bonds, etc, things like that, all under one topic post. 
 

15.05.2017, 13:35

Last time edited : 15.05.2017, 13:36

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The biggest thing for bonds is to always check out the assets physically and not just what the bond system says.
 
What these scammers do is make their numbers look nice much like what's being discussed in the 30% of points topic, ultimately using psychology (knowing bonds are rare and sell fast) to get you to buy it.
 
Losing out on a bond you didn't research isn't losing money Well 
 

15.05.2017, 13:55

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Best tip for new players is DO NOT BUY BONDS , there is at least 50 ways to earn much more ... 
 

15.05.2017, 15:06

Last time edited : 15.05.2017, 15:10

FLP01
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Unless that is a figure of speech, please list 50 ways to earn more. Anyway, Bank of Virtonomics (i.e. investment bank) has already been discussed. I see 'Virtonomics Loans' having lots of potential as they can be fashioned very much like current bonds system, with loans for different purposes. These could be tailored more to newer players as we all know they aren’t going to touch bonds lest default.
 
Loans would be a nice addition to the game as it is very much part of a business, finding ways of raising capital with DCM (Debt Capital Markets) and ECM (Equity Capital Markets) being considered. 
 

15.05.2017, 18:47

xcrusader010
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30.05.2017, 22:50

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Maybe if they incorporated it into Tenders?  Right now, there isn't a good market established.  Which probably is caused by most people not having a reason to issue bonds, i.e. they're cash heavy.
 
Also, IRL every major company has bonds, just they only sell to financial institutions.  Maybe buy from Virtonomics themselves? 
 

31.05.2017, 02:26

Gorchilo
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FLP01 i didn't count how much ways exactly but in general unless you max all qualification any other way of earning is better then bonds even buying of expensive high lic or tech to improve quality is better way then bonds ..
 
Investment in any service qualification(restaurants, med. center etc.. ) except service sector will bring much more but you just must to learn game mechanics (where to set subdivision , pricing , marketing etc.. ).
Optimization is key of success .. 
 

31.05.2017, 15:13

FLP01
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I did say how I'm not relying at all on Bonds to make me a profit as part of my strategy, the main part of my business does that. 
 

31.05.2017, 15:17

Last time edited : 4.09.2017, 01:10

FLP01
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I know a few people have already read this, but please give it a read:
 
https://virtonomics.com/mary/forum/forum_new/16/topic/106281/view ...  
 

31.05.2017, 17:18

Gorchilo
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My answer is for all new players which plan to make profit with bonds Well even if there is no scammers any other way is better to make profit Well 
 

31.05.2017, 22:58

Gorchilo
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If you issue bonds then after some time you issue new bonds but you didn't sold all new bonds and then you bankrupt that can happen since assets are sold to pay first bonds .. ( i am not 100% sure but i think that can be reason ) 
 

2.06.2017, 23:29

Last time edited : 3.06.2017, 15:20

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FLP01
I also wonder if Nielsen Group is a bond scammer as they have $0 worth of assets but $110,048,416 turnover and has issued 682 'Golden Chicken' bonds with total repayment $1,023,000,000,000. There is a group of four at very nearly the bottom of companies ratings which look quite shady to me: 11,226 - 11,229 as how can you have a fairly high turnover but $0 in assets. Check it out.
There's a difference between scamming and just issuing a lot of bonds...
 
Nielson issued his bonds but kept his assets, look at his subdivisions, he also owns a couple (bought and sell-able) state enterprises with supply, still has his production running etc, thus most likely hes not a scammer. Unless you have access to his  asset/cash/debt position (which you get when you buy his bonds) otherwise you cant blame someone.
 
Goku18 however gave both his cash and all of his assets away after issuing the bonds (apart from the 'free' starting gold mine and oil well - which can't be sold)
Here is the overview from Goku18 his assets and cash after issuing the bonds:

Assets:      10.940.397.014,14
Cash:             177.688.846,43
Debts:  1.423.900.000.000,00 
 

2.06.2017, 23:29

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Just to get back on-topic.
 
13-05-2017 - report on forums
14-05-2017 - pmed Diska about it
22-05-2017 - got a reply he will look into it if he's got time
 
Now its 02-06-2017.
20 days have passed and no action has been taken.
 
The lack of moderation within this game really disappointing me. 
 

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