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Topic created : 17 August 2010, 01:25

ESLounge

ESL

Let me first I admit that I'm new to the game.

My impression is that the system of contests in the game is too elite focused. It seems, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that a very few top corporations win almost everything.

My suggestion is a league based system like in football with many leagues. I don't think two or three leagues is even nearly enough, it should be a lot more. The important thing is to encourage participation in contests and that does not happen if players get the impression that it's hopeless.

Corporations can get promoted or demoted from their leagues and higher leagues would have contests with better prices.

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17 August 2010, 02:46

TradeEmpire

well that is already in place sorta. In tenders, there are three leagues, but they all are based on unspent virts, which makes it easy to change leagues for the big guys by just spending or winning virts. As for contests, there are the CM and CD, which are for newbies and easy to win, but the CP is nearly impossible, so it would be nice to have some contests for smaller companies

1 September 2010, 04:04

Quadriad

Quadriad Box

i dont think what you suggest is sufficient, but i believe some changes are needed, badly

1 September 2010, 17:13

Ksar

Ksar Corp

no possibility to sort company to make "fair" contests due to clones

more leagues = more clicks but with same result ;)

2 September 2010, 18:45

Last time edited : 2 September 2010, 18:47

Mike1

Moderator

Mico Inc

Clones and tight-knitted friendships between players are competitive factors now but it doesn't exclude the chance of enlarging the scope of winners.

for example new tender leagues could be defined by how many VIRTS/Tenders a player already won, depending on the player's qualification, asset ranking etc. Restricted prices e.g. points to be won instead of VIRTS, realm-bound VIRTS, cash wins, mini-mines, warehouse with some ZVER's etc. Simplification of certain tenders to exclude the "all companies in the realm" , not include non-registered players in the rankings etc.

For tender- and trophy-addicted players there could be yet another set of contests for example new worlds/speed-rounds where a player only has xy page loads between updates, or a new update is done every 4 hours and the whole world only lives for a limited time etc.

2 September 2010, 19:04

ccm_tsang

Moderator

ccm_tsang Corporation

ccm

Mike1

for example new tender leagues could be defined by how many VIRTS/Tenders a player already won, depending on the player's qualification, asset ranking etc.

more leagues, based on the number of VIRTs/Tenders won in past 14 updates or even 30 updates would be a great change. that way, the habitual winners can play with each other, and the rest of us amateurs may even have a chance once in a while Well

2 September 2010, 22:14

TradeEmpire

great idea Mike, I agree

3 September 2010, 17:55

Ksar

Ksar Corp

just to understand and answer sipmle question:

you need contests as competition?
if yes - there should be no any restrictions
no leagues and 1 VIRTS tenders from all fond = min 25 tenders per day with 1 VIRT prize
(for newbies there is CM and CD -- its 2 month of game life)

you need contests as free prizes?
if yes it can be simple lottery and we have it also
-- VIRTs for yachts now

current system is something in the middle and I don't see good changes here

P.S. contest realm is another story but I think and it's hard to play this game with 4 hours update ^^

6 September 2010, 20:26

Quadriad

Quadriad Box

Ksar
just to understand and answer sipmle question:

you need contests as competition?
if yes - there should be no any restrictions

why not make CM and CD open contest, it's only fair, as you suggested, for everyone to join.

Ksar

you need contests as free prizes?
if yes it can be simple lottery and we have it also
-- VIRTs for yachts now

which new players can afford yacht? let's me know, i'll give him a discount

btw ksar, you ever given any constructive suggestions ?

7 September 2010, 00:23

TradeEmpire

Quadriad
which new players can afford yacht? let's me know, i'll give him a discount

btw ksar, you ever given any constructive suggestions ?

Ksar does have a point. However, unlike the rest of us he can easily win as many points as he wants, which is why he doesn't feel our need for more tenders/leagues.

8 September 2010, 02:25

Last time edited : 8 September 2010, 02:26

Ksar

Ksar Corp

it's simple

tenders = contest for all, not for the @every newbie who wants points@

I have no constructive ideas so as you're talking about @honest@ contest

but you can see CM and CD --- this is real example how it will be
anyway there is one-two players who can more --- more experience, more friends to learn and help, clones etc...
and as soon as you make more leagues in every league will be the only winner

I see only 2 ways to give more chances to others --- make it admistrative way (like 1 player can register 1 tender per day)or simply make more tenders = I can win 2 tenders per day but cann't win 20 tenders per day (yes if you want more leagues it also means more tenders)

and I don't like first way so as any restrictions kill the game and fun
and I think admins don't like second way

8 September 2010, 17:04

Last time edited : 8 September 2010, 17:35

ccm_tsang

Moderator

ccm_tsang Corporation

ccm

Ksar
it's simple

tenders = contest for all

because it's supposed to be a contest for all, it's sort of a farce that the same players win all the time
taking nothing away from Ksar - you ARE a real pro with the tenders. today, as an example - 9 tenders, won 7, came a close 2nd for another one

of course, it's because of the cp tenders, but the point is clear. ksar, regardless of which league, is very hard to beat. the more wins, the more is leant about the things that are useful for winning, and the higher the chance of winning more.

as i suggested, if the leagues are on number of virts or tenders won in the past x days, then tender-savvy players can play in the elite league, and the beginners who are not even sure what the tender conditions are can play amongst ourselves and learn something - about the game, about tenders.

that way, the same winners will not be able to take out all leagues, as ksar suggested.

Ksar
anyway there is one-two players who can more

think you mean 'win' here? yes, it really does seem it's the same handful of players who do manage to win all the time.
when tenders first started, i had noted that the more established companies with the high Q goods and high management Q would beat the newer companies all the time. that's is true for the most part.

really can't believe that the purpose of admin introducing tenders is just to keep the more established players happy with winning tenders. tenders has to be seen to allow some chance for other (all) players. when i've tried and failed many times at the tenders, i lose interest in even looking at the tenders.

i also believe that admin knows about this common normal human reaction (hopelessness) and will come up with something that will allow more players to participate with better chances at winning

9 September 2010, 02:59

Kh0i

Kh0i International

I hate the idea of having leagues. I prefer restriction on how many tenders one could register per day.

I also hate the idea of "the Unspent Virts" requirements.
You can't buy Virts with real money!
You can't win Virts in any contest!
You can only win Virts if you enter a tender,
but you need Virts to win the tender.
So to win Virts you need Virts!

Oh wait, you can win some of the tenders without having any unspent Virts. Then save those Virts until you have enough to enter the big tender to win more Virts. But why admin wants players to save Virts? Players can't cash out their Virts for real money anymore. Oh I get it, it was purposely engineered that way to create leagues. THE SAVERS vs. THE SPENDERS! Ahh NO, I was wrong, the SAVERS can also enter the small tenders/the SPENDER leagues too. Capitalism is all about spending, admin wants players to spend real money so why create a system that favors the SAVERS. This system perpetuates the idea that saving is good, which is counterproductive since admin wants players to spend spend spend!

Please know that my heart aches for you, the SPENDERS.

9 September 2010, 04:08

TradeEmpire

Now that you can't cash out virts, I think they should either eradicate game points completely. or make it possible to trade gamepoints with other players.

9 September 2010, 14:39

Last time edited : 9 September 2010, 15:23

Mike1

Moderator

Mico Inc

I can't imagine a Ferrari driver to find any fun challenging a Lada Oka (and vice versa) - unless he's got a serious
inferiority complex.

PS: why did Ydaf and lightsofacto stop participating in tenders?? I've been following this tender thing since last november and it feels like these 2 are the only ones able to compete with Ksar. Unless, of course, Harlus and ARTEG wouldn't support Ksar but also compete with him, then it would be really interesting to watch!

10 September 2010, 19:20

Quadriad

Quadriad Box

Mike1
I can't imagine a Ferrari driver to find any fun challenging a Lada Oka (and vice versa) - unless he's got a serious
inferiority complex.

Or it might be a contest for cuteness ~ To wink

Mike1

PS: why did Ydaf and lightsofacto stop participating in tenders?? I've been following this tender thing since last november and it feels like these 2 are the only ones able to compete with Ksar. Unless, of course, Harlus and ARTEG wouldn't support Ksar but also compete with him, then it would be really interesting to watch!

people say the wise man sees ~

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